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SMP frustrations

Post by acsempronio on 5/20/2011, 4:12 pm

This server is pretty good, there are some good people, most of the staff is pleasant enough and the owners are unintrusive.

What follows is less of a complaint directed towards this server and more of a general voicing of discontent and displeasure with the way players operate, staff and mortals alike, in any server.

Structure placement.
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I find, during my travels that there are far too many structures huddled around the stargates as if the map is limited to a 150 block radius from the gate.
I was at the Grassland stargate last night and saw some squat square structures, ad nauseum, scattered in a random placing around the stargate; the place looked like Calcutta, complete with cows.
Please, stop being lazy. Walk some distance find a secluded spot with a nice view, and set up shop. If you are concerned about night during the travel, dig a hole, cover it , sit in it and then leave in the morning. Patience is a virtue long lost on the younger generations.
This may help prevent the far lazier griefers who see the stargate as a buffet of madness.
This may also help with the "This is my mine not yours..." arguments I keep hearing.
If you feel you must be part of a crowd.... step up, take control of the area and lay a road... this may force your contemporaries to at least align their structure with others rather than just wherever they find a flower (which, by the way, at least grow with a little more order.)

Structure design.
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Non-donators and non-staff can't spawn items... I get that. With that in mind, have a rough plan and work to it. Stop being content with a block house and sign; build a roof, add some flair, read a floorplan from a book (what's a book?) and copy it to minecraft (as best as possible.)
Now for those who can spawn things:
No excuse for shi++y structures. none. I'm not perfect and don't claim to be, usually. I have a thing going in grassland. It's large and time-consuming, but I had a general sense of a plan and ran with it. I have gotten compliments, and some criticism... mostly from myself.
Then last night I stumbled across what I can only describe as an atrocity in the tundra... right in front of the stargate. I won't name names, but there is sloppy use of color coordination, block variance, shape and design and it's all covered in fire (which is a hazard unto itself because I witnessed a player catch fire from it last night.) Fire? In the tundra. At least keep a theme.

Communal planning.
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Figure out where things are, learn to navigate the land and help link the players. Be it by road or rail, assist in building something that links two places at a distance. I understand the "hidden city" isn't too far from me. I plan on linking the two, once I find it. Why? because fosters community effort, it offers a path to unseen things, and you may discover a new place YOU like simply by walking there.
On a side note, The Hidden City owner may be displeased with my actions... but... you can't hide a giant stone ring... it can't be done.

Dirt houses.
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If it's made of dirt, it's part of the ground. If you get dug up, stop using dirt.



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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by Okowi on 5/20/2011, 5:20 pm

lawlorskates I endorse this post......

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by Ariley on 5/20/2011, 5:36 pm

Oh boy. This is wonderful. I think everyone who plays here needs to read this.

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Post by Sainteven on 5/20/2011, 5:39 pm

this is perfectly accurate. I agree wholeheartedly

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by snowninja845 on 5/20/2011, 6:29 pm

i agree everyone who plays doesnt go out very far or does a good design. see now im building a snow mansion on ice now its going to take a very long time to get all the snow but i dont care. everyone needs to realize that you cant just go ten feet from spawn. I really like how you put this to attention. I who can not spawn has made some pretty cool homes as i have been told by some people.

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by InvertPanda on 5/20/2011, 7:21 pm

Sticky fosho.Someone understands a synergy in an online server.

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by saeTan on 5/21/2011, 4:26 pm

Yeah, we were planning on getting an area specific protection plugin. If we did this, we would set a large protection area around the portals, with signs saying go out far and build. I would hope that we would cut and paste the current houses there -- I'm sure the owners won't mind, they're just square cobblestone huts.

I totally agree with this also. I've opened up, but not yet finished two districts in my city, and I must say, I am greatly disappointed at how unimaginative people are. Its a city for gods sake, with plots -- not a place to put a mining hut. People will build out of the theme, like making tall brick and dirt buildings in the modern district. I agree with your frustration, but unfortunately only part of it can be fixed.

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Post by ChaosTheoryJRH on 5/21/2011, 4:32 pm

Dear god, Thank you acsem for bringing this up. If people could actually follow this it would be amazing.

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by dynamole on 5/22/2011, 9:06 am

Yeah, people do need to follow this, I am not the best builder, nor do i claim to be.

I think cobble stone needs to be used less, the are many nicer things to use, I tend to use Brick/Sandstone. takes a bit longer, but i think that the finished product looks better then one built just in cobble.
This time around I have gone for Wood/Sand, this is mainly because the people who are in my area and whom share the farm and some chests have gone with wood.

Mine probably still stands out a little more, given that there's are in the mountainside and mine is up top, but i can always turn it into a viewing spot, more than a home, not 100% on that yet.

I would like to see less Half-finished projects as well, it's not so much of a big deal now (as the server hasn't been up long), but on the last map, I saw loads and most of them appeared to be un-used as well

Good post by the way, players do need to read this.

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by Econwatson on 5/23/2011, 1:34 am

I agree wholeheartedly with your post bro :)

The cobblestone thing is difficult though, if you wanna make a stone building it would take a very very long time to smelt all of that stone in a furnace, especially if the server is lagging! My castle I built in the Grasslands spawn, I wanted to be made out of stone, it would have looked much better. But I would have needed a LOT of stone and therefore a lot of coal :(

Maybe you could make an item like stone spawnable if you want less cobblestone buildings? If any new person wants to embark on a big project which is constructed in the main of stone, cobblestone is really the only option :)

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by acsempronio on 5/23/2011, 12:33 pm

[quote="Econwatson"
Maybe you could make an item like stone spawnable if you want less cobblestone buildings? If any new person wants to embark on a big project which is constructed in the main of stone, cobblestone is really the only option :)[/quote]

Your argument is a great support for the economy side: Someone who's job it is to make stone could make a tremendous amount of coin. I've actually considered doing that myself as it seems to be much needed.

The problem is that I'm a donator and can just spawn stone and while I have been able to compartmentalize the blocks I spawn and the blocks I find, I'm afraid the apparent ambiguity might make me look like a cheater; I don't think anyone should sell anything they spawn.

With that said, I never spawn coal and have amassed a large quantity as of late as well as a large quantity of clay, so I might open a stone and brick shop, find a spot to dig a quarry, and make a clay pit. Look for it in Ersington.

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by mefabe on 5/23/2011, 5:07 pm

i like the idea and agree with it too. im not that lazy about going far away or making good-looking houses, but i dissagree on the fact that shops should be far away.shops should acctually right around the stargate, and houses should be farther

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by acsempronio on 5/23/2011, 5:10 pm

That sounds reasonable... but thy should be near each other and at least some walking distance and arranged well... hey, that sounds like A TOWN!

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by cloudkesh on 5/23/2011, 6:51 pm

This is pretty good. I myself don't own a city or anything and If I do, It's actually a city in the mountains or underground. And If I happen to lose my little city, I just copy the coordinates and ask an Admin I can Trust too warp there and teleport me back. If it can't be done, I'll apply for a warp for that city. And If someone asks me what my city name is I'll only say "It's a secret to those who can't read the signs." And about that hidden city, dude look, You really can't hide a giant ring of stone, attempt another hidden city by making it deep underground/into the mountains. Make it to where people can't get there if they don't try.

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by Econwatson on 5/24/2011, 7:03 am

Is selling stone that has used spawned coal to make it considered selling spawned items? Thats an interesting question :) I am guessing probably yes. I wouldn't mind mining for coal to start that sort of enterprise aces! If you need some assistance with it I would be glad to help

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by acsempronio on 5/24/2011, 12:30 pm

Econ... That sound like a plan. I can pay you 48 coin per stack of coal. You can find it wherever and meet in Ersington when I am around. I am low on coin right now, so I can trade you for what I have.

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Re: SMP frustrations

Post by dtfgator on 5/24/2011, 12:59 pm

I believe using spawned coal to smelt cobblestone would make the smoothstone illegal to sell. However, I would really suggest lava buckets as a fuel source rather than coal. If you are trusted+ and only use it for fuel lava buckets are allowed. Even if you are not trusted+ just ask a staff member who is online and they should give you temp. permission to use it only as fuel.

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